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Agree or disagree? The hypocrisy of independence and building wealth.?

This can affect politics. I saw a commercial yesterday. Some Mafia-types are trying to convince suckers that the way to independent living, success, building and sustaining wealth is to follow their plan which you have to pay for. I thought about it for a moment, how many gullible fools would fall for it.... Now if you think about it, you cannot achieve any kind of true independence by building wealth because the very focus and process of building wealth builds an inherent crippling dependency on money and it's trappings. True independence in my opinion is the ability to live, survive and grow with absolutely NO dependence upon money or man-made structure, only relying upon yourself, your skills in the natural world, living off the land as pioneers did. Money and trade are artificial things and participating in them only encourages dependency and dependency creates both wealth and poverty - they are both sides of the same crippling coin. Agree, disagree or ????

Public Comments

1. whatever, i guess i disagree, i have no idea!
2. I agree. Since I have no money, it must be.
3. Depends on the type of person you are some people would be very happy living of the land raising crops animals whatever mother nature provides but not everyone. For others it's the creature comforts that define wealth, big house 2 cars a maid a cook etc.
4. I agree to a point. There really is not true thing as independence. Even the pioneers were Dependant on some things: rifle, knife, ax, horse, shelter. Granted they could build the shelter, but you need a structure to give you basic necessities such as food and shelter. Money and trade are artificial things but there has always been a system of trade because human nature itself is greedy and most people can not just give something away. Before there was money, there was the barter system. Humans can not be truly independent from sources of their basic needs. I have to go now but this has been an interesting question I would like to talk much more about.
5. I disagree, profoundly. Everything and everyone is dependent on money: it is the symbol of work, and since work is essential to survival, so is money. Trade is also a creator of value; the failure to recognize this fundamental principle is the essential error in Marxist philosophy. The only way one could survive without money or trade is as a grunt farmer -- which is what people did, a thousand years ago, because they had no choice. Our living today is immeasurably better, because of technology -- but technology requires markets: no one person can build a billion dollar semiconductor plant without being able to sell product to others.
6. Disagree. Humans and ever living creature are dependant on all sorts of things. In nature, we'd be dependant on a healthy population of plants and animals to eat. On the sun. On good weather to keep plants healthy for prey animals to eat and be plentiful, and to prevent drought etc. Money is just an easier way to trade for products and services. Instead of carrying all the cumbersome supplies you'd need for bartering.
7. I think first you must make the distinction between wealth and money. Money is an idea, just an arbitrary way of placing a measurable value on things. Wealth is the production of goods and services using labor and capital. Wealth can be achieved without money, as in a barter system, but a complex society requires money to make transactions more convenient, bushels of tomatoes are hard to haul to the store. Unfortunately, our society does not let people keep very much of the fruits of our labor, think about how much money your employer makes as a direct result of your labor. Corporations grow by taking the tools of production out of the hands of those producing, and paying them a small amount for the privilege of using those tools, relegating them to the status of employees and consumers. This relationship is reinforced with government regulations, licensing requirements, and complicated tax systems. You have made a deal to sell him your time for X dollars per hour. You have made the decision to accept the price for your time, and corporate society has determined where you "fit" in their "machine". We have all sold our freedom due to our belief in the idea of money.
8. I do have an ideal. And it is not the ideal that puts building wealth above doing right for the world around me. I pray that in time there will be others like me. But the world is full of Lolas.
9. Because our society has evolved from democratic to a more capitalistic society, it is sad to see everybody going from a neighbor helping neighbor society, to who can screw who out of money by selling you something just short of fraud. You are never going to be able to do what your description of independence is because of this, even the government writes the laws to get "anticipated revenue" , they don't write laws to protect you and society anymore, they write them to protect them and their money. So unless we can find a place much like the beginning of this countrys great ideas, or better yet get thinking people like you and me to bring this country back to where it should be, money maybe the only thing that can get you close to wealth and/or independence.